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Five Panel

What is Five Panel Testing?

 

With advancements in technology comes DNA testing for horses.  Specifically the Five Panel Test is a screening of the horses DNA for five major diseases commonly found in Quarter Horses (and other breeds).  The Five are PSSM, HYPP, HERDA, GBED and MH. 

 

Many people are somewhat familiar with HYPP but few have heard of any of the others.  When HYPP came out it nearly devastated the Impressive line.  Responsible breeders screen for HYPP and if their horses have it they don't breed them.  There are those who actually specifically breed for HYPP believing that it is one of the factors in their breeding program that will help them win classes.  Sadly this means alot of horses are HYPP carriers and it will be very hard to get the genetics out of the breed as some very popular stallions are carriers and being bred to hundreds of mares. 

 

When horses are tested for any disease there results will be one of three possibilities:

 

* They will not have any of the bad genes - these horses are called N/N (meaning double negative) and they are the same as any other healthy horse.  It is safe to buy them and safe to breed them.

 

* They will have one copy - in the case of HYPP this would be shown as N/H - this means the horse inherited one copy of the gene and will pass it on about 50% of the time.

 

* They will have two copes - in the case of HYPP this would be shown as H/H - this means the horse inherited one copy of the gene from each parent.  It also means the horse is "homozygous" for the gene and will pass one of the genses on to 100% of their foals.

 

Each of the diseases has it's own symptoms and if you've never heard of them before I suggest looking each of them up on the internet. 

 

Some of the diseases are what is called dominant - meaning they only need one copy to present symptoms.  Other diseases are what is called recessive - meaning they have to get a copy from each parent in order to present symptoms.  Sadly what this means is that some breeders feel it is okay to breed horses that are recessive as long as they don't breed to another horse with a copy of the gene.   While it is true the resulting foal will not have problems the sad thing is that it leads to more and more carriers and eventually it will be harder and harder to find non carriers to breed to. 

 

This is a very short sighted approach and fitting with our "me first" attitude in the times we live in.  Sure the horses they own won't be impacted but future generations will pay the cost by having to deal with the issue in many of their horses.   A great example would be the draft breeds and PSSM - it is estimated that as high as 60% of Percherons are now carriers.  There comes a tipping point where there are so many that it is almost to find clean horses. 

 

How easy it would have been back in the day, if they could have know which horses were carriers and quit breeding them.   And I fear future generations will look back on us in the Quarter Horse Industry and say - "They knew they were breeding carriers... What were they thinking?"

 

Right now in the QH industry it is thought that there is still relaively few cases of PSSM - although many feel that as more people test it will come out that there is a lot more PSSM than first thought.  PSSM is a relatively new thought in the light horse industry.  It's been around for a long time but few knew what it was.  Commonly some bloodlines are know as "Buckers" or "Grumpy" or "Hard To start", etc., now it is becoming apparent that some bloodlines carrying PSSM are the cause - again I encourage you to look up PSSM and it's symptoms on the internet, chances are after reading about it you will have an "AHA" moment and realize that a horse you used to own (or maybe still own) with unexplained issues are now explained as you realize that the horse probably had PSSM and was not hard to get along with but just in pain.  PSSM like HYPP can be managed in many horses with diet and exercise, but sadly in some cases even that does not work and some have to be euthanized.

 

PSSM is a serious issue and anyone looking to buy, breed or already owns a horse should educate themselves about it so they make good decisions and avoid the frustration and medical expenses associated with the path most people with PSSM horses take trying to figure out what is wrong with their horse. 

 

MH is very rare right now but in combination with PSSM it is pretty much a death sentence for the horse.

 

GBED is lethal - if two carriers are bred together and the foal gets two genes it will not survive.

 

HERDA is horrific - it is a recessive but if two carriers are bred together and the foal gets two copies it is most likely in for a very painful life as it's skin can just split off it's hide with trauma.

 

HYPP has any that are considered "non-symptomatic" and many that can be managed with diet and exercise, but there are some who's owners hardly know what to do whentheir horse has an attack - I've never seen one but I've heard it can be very devastating to watch.

 

When buying a horse make sure you ask they have been five panel tested.  Nothing wrong with buying horses with these diseases if you know what you are getting into.  Sometimes you can get a really good price on a fantastic horse but know what you could be dealing with and make sure you are prepared for it.

 

  • We Specialize in Helping First Time BuyersWe're here to help!  We were desperate for help when we first started with horses and made many mistakes because we just didn't know any better - There are many critical errors that first time owners make with their horses.  Things that you can be easily taught to avoid that will make a huge difference in how your horse behaves now and how he will behave in the future.  We offer our help in a unique, affordable way - one on one  - you just pay us what it is worth to you.Our Tack Shop was started to help First Time Buyers We started our shop because when we started we couldn't find affordable tack and we couldn't find anyone who would help us by what we needed, instead of attempting to oversell us.We sell you what you need and do not oversell you on things that you do not need.  If you want to spend extra money we have a good selection of stock for the extras too, but we work to give you the best quality in your price range.

  • First Time Buyers When you come to us as a first time horse owner or potential buyer, if you are interested we will give you a horse lesson, this is a basic lesson on how horses think and how you need to project yourself in order to have a successful relationship with your horse.  We will also attempt to outfit you with what you need - what fits you and your horse and your price range.   Non- First Time Buyers Even if you've had horses for a while, if you are having trouble we would be glad to try to help.  Our shop is off the beaten path, but by moving the tack shop to our ranch, it allows us to be able to give hands on demonstrations with live horses.  We are happy to answer any questions.  We stock a decent supply of non-first time buyer stuff as well.

  • Horses Born at Red Dog Ranch We have been breeding horses for 15 years.  We carefully chose our stallion to produce easy to get along with, fast learning, fun to work with foals that have the looks and build to compete in most local shows.  We were purposefully after laid back temperaments that would be more user friendly for less confident owners.  The fact that our stallion is a cremello means there is the added bonus of gorgeous color and his pedigree has enough show points behind him to ensure good builds as well.Other Horses we have For Sale We do take horses in trade for our Red Dog foals.  We evaluate each horse as it comes on the yard, then we price it and start working with it.  We have the basic goal that all the horses that pass through our yard will leave better than when they came and advancing toward what we call our "ideal" horse or to the best of their ability toward our ideal horse.   Prices do increase as their training progresses.

  • Horses That Have Passed Through Red Dog Ranch In the last 15 years we have owned many horses.  We love getting new horses working with them and learning from them and them and then finding new owners for them.  We have had many success stories.  Click Here to see some of the horses we have  owned.If you own a Red Dog Ranch horse... We would love to have you post your positive comments about your horse.  Please contact us and we can give you information as to how you can post your accomplishements on your Red Dog Ranch horse's page on this site.

  • Duly is a proven stallion ... He consistently throws laid back, level headed easy to work with foals with the bonus of a great build and color.  CLICK HERE to see a gallery of his foals.If you own a Duly baby... We would love to have you post your positive comments about your horse.  Please contact us and we can give you information as to how you can post your accomplishements on your Red Dog Ranch horse's page on this site.

What's New At Red Dog?

  • Buying a Horse this year? WAIT!

    With the advancement in genetic testing there is now something to consider when you buy your next horse.   For years many people have had horses with little problems (and big problems) that they have been frustrated with, spent thousands of dollars in vet bills on and have gotten rid of becasue they just couldn;t make them work.

     

    Now with genetic testing it has been discovered that some of these horses have a hereditary diseases known as PSSM.

     

    PSSM causes the following symptoms - many of which people chalk up to normal horse behavior, spoiled, poor training, etc.

     

    a Few common PSSM symptoms include:

    - A jekyll/hyde personality - very sweet one day , nasty the next

    - bucking, especially when asked to canter or lope

    - biting at the sides

    - frequent colic (which often is not colic but has been misdiagnosed as colic even by vets)

    - lots of rolling

    - refusal to move forward

    - extreme anxiety when trailering

    - stiff hard muscles

    - tying up

    - rope walking

    - dislikes being brushed

    - nasty attitude for saddling

    - there are many more symptoms

     

    If you are considering buying a horse this year - make sure at the very least the horse is tested and is nn for PSSM1 - better is to make sure it is 5 panel nn - and even better is to make sure it is negative for the PSSM2 variants (there are currently 4 - P2, P3, P4 and P5) and there is another one causing problems known as PX (originating in TB lines)

     

    If you think your horse may have PSSM (it is in about 20-30% of Quarter Horses and QH crosses) amongst other breeds - you can contact me for more info or you can go to BRIDGEquine.com for more info.  Testing for P1 is easy and inexpensive and you can do ti yourself.  You can also send myou horses pedigree and I can tell you if it has known PSSM in its background.

     

     
  • 2018 Foals are Almost Ready to be Weaned

    2018 foals are almost ready to be weaned!
    We have three foals left to choose from.

    One from our Smokey black mare ImpressivePerfection
    (a beautiful Perlino (or smokey cream or cremello) filly
    $1800
    and
    One from BMF Honeys Jameen
    A handsome grey palomino colt.
    $1250


    We also have one Pitch Black Pony colt.
    He should be around 10-11 HH
    Right now he is pitch black with a white star. 
    $650

     

    Exciting times!

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